Measuring Vibration In Different Locations

Last week we observed the natural frequency of different tires, wheels, weights, and wheel location. For those tests, we used an Emerson data acquisition system that produced highly accurate results. However, riding with a computer and cables strapped to the bike is not ideal for more intense testing. This week, we explore another sensor option, which is smaller and more affordable, mounted in different locations to try and recreate the results we found using the Emerson data acquisition system.

New Sensors

The new sensors are 3-axis accelerometer data loggers. Thanks to Gulf Coast Data Concepts for making the perfect product. Below are a few of the key specs on the data loggers.

  • +/- 16g 3-axis accelerometer
  • Sample rates up to 400 Hz
  • Real-time clock
  • MicroSD card
  • Programmable
  • Text-file data files

We chose 16g to give us a decent range for testing. The g refers to gravitational acceleration, which is 9.81m/s^2, therefore, the sensor could withstand 16 times 9.81m/s^2, roughly 157g. More on this later in an upcoming article.

The sample rate of 400 Hz would allow us to record data in the natural frequency range of our wheel and tire combinations. Last week’s article showed that most wheel and tire combinations had a frequency profile under 100 Hz.

The other items, such as the real time clock, micro SD card, etc., were for convenience. They made testing and post analysis easy and simple. You can see an image of the sensors below.

Sensor Locations

We mounted the sensors in two locations—the front fork, and directly on the wheel.

Fork Mounted Sensor

The fork-mounted sensor was very close to the skewer mount that we used for the Emerson unit. The fork is also a non-rotating object, and would give us a reference to the sensor mounted on the rotating wheel.  The fork-mounted sensor acts as a bridge between the data we saw from the Emerson, and the data we were gathering from the wheel. If we could show the fork data matched the data from the Emerson analyzer, then in theory, we should be able to pull the same data from the wheel.

Wheel Mounted Sensor

The wheel-mounted sensor was located on the rim of a FLO 64 AS Disc wheel. The problem with mounting the sensor in this location is that the wheel is rotating. When we used the Emerson, we used a stationary single-axis accelerometer that was aligned to read vertical acceleration. The wheel-mounted sensor introduces motion and complicates things quickly. Our goal was to be able to process the data in a way that would give us the same results observed from the Emerson data. More on this in an upcoming article.

The Tests

The same tests that we performed with the Emerson were performed with the new sensors. In fact, we performed them at the same time so the data was the same. Here are the tests below. (link to testing article)

  • Wheel: FLO 64 AS Disc - Wheel sensor mounted to the front FLO 64 AS Disc
  • Speed: 12-15 mph
  • Road Surface: New Smooth Pavement
  • Rider + Bike Weight: 181lbs
  • Pressure Range: 60-120psi in 5psi increments.

The Results

If the results were the same then we would see a smooth profile below 85 psi, an increase of excitation (vibration) at 85psi, and a lot of excitement at 120 psi—just like the Emerson data showed. Here is what we saw.

The Fork Data

We saw a specific increase at 85 psi, and a max acceleration at 120 psi. The three graphs below show the FFT results from the fork-mounted sensor at 60, 85 and 120 psi. Please note and ignore the change in the y-axis scale.

The Wheel Data

I’m excited to say the wheel results show the same thing. There is some fancy behind-the-scenes math going on to get these results, but it does work. Take a look at the results from 60, 85 and 120 psi below.

Final Thoughts

Preliminary results show that we can recreate the same data with a sensor mounted to a cycling wheel. However, it’s too early to tell if this will work in various conditions, and if the theory of measuring impedance break points by measuring vibration will hold true in all of those conditions. There is a lot more to study. Next week we’ll talk about our first large-scale test, g forces in cycling wheels, and our next steps. Stay tuned!

5 comments

Fulton,

You are likely dealing with a wheel balance issue. Any deep wheel like your will require a long valve stem. That additional length adds weight and when your wheel spins at high speeds things start to shake like crazy. The centripetal force grows very quickly at higher speeds due to a square factor. Think of a washing machine that makes no noise at low speeds and then will walk across the floor on the high speed spin cycle if out of balance.

Your best best is you balance your wheel with weights. I would imagine this will eliminate your speed wobble. I hope this helps.

Take care,

Jon

Jon Thornham August 31, 2020

Konstantin,

What I mean by the scale is that they are not the same for each graph. This may skew the data visually if not pointed out.

There is a correlation between the fork and wheel data. We are showing that it is closely related. The excitation is happening in both locations.

Take care

Jon

Jon Thornham August 31, 2020

Hello. Very good job, Jon. But I don’t understand what that mean: “Please note and ignore the change in the y-axis scale” (fork data). It is incorrect scale or incorrect scale’s numbers?
Does the natural frequency of wheel correlate with the natural frequency of fork? And how?

Konstantin August 24, 2020

Hello. Very good job, Jon. But I don’t understand what that mean “Please note and ignore the change in the y-axis scale.” (fork data)? Incorrect scale or incorrect scale’s numbers?
How accelerations of fork correlate with accelerations of wheel? Or they don’t correlate?

Konstantin August 24, 2020

this is very cool. I am an engineer and a geek.
My main interest is that i went through a scary situation with my cervelo p5 while going downhill at 45 mph. My bicycle started shaking almost uncontrollably. I was scared. I have a flo disc on the back and a zip 808 on the front. Are bicycle system natural frequency in the 6 hertz range? That is what the wheel is rotating at that speed

Fulton Lopez August 24, 2020

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